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	<title>Comments on: Helping kids buy from the school cafeteria – will ‘Big Brother’ tactics work?</title>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm - this is interesting.  The real question is what behaviour do you really want to drive?  My experience of teenagers (and adults, actually) is that many will find ways around a system that doesn&#039;t suit their personal preferences.  So, kids whose parents don&#039;t give a toss about the reporting on food purchase will simply become the &#039;middle men&#039; for students who are under their parents&#039; scrutiny.  (And it will probably just reinforce their teenage angst at their parents about lack of independence and all that sturm und drang.)  I&#039;d say high school is certainly the place where teens should be left to make their own eating-decisions.  If you haven&#039;t modelled healthy eating yourself by then, its too late and they&#039;ll have to work it out for themselves.  

At a personal level, I hate the idea - we want our kids to know that we trust them and have an expectation that they can make good decisions for themselves.  I&#039;d rather they ate a pie and chippies from time to time, than felt that we didn&#039;t have confidence in them. My diabetic (from birth) nephew understood (and could be trusted to choose) what he could and couldn&#039;t eat from the age of 4.  Its do-able.

At a community level - kids who don&#039;t make good food choices are going to benefit more from education and encouragement of personal responsibility than &#039;big brother&#039; (which is the opposite of personal responsibility).  The concept is focussed on the parents and not the kids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm &#8211; this is interesting.  The real question is what behaviour do you really want to drive?  My experience of teenagers (and adults, actually) is that many will find ways around a system that doesn&#8217;t suit their personal preferences.  So, kids whose parents don&#8217;t give a toss about the reporting on food purchase will simply become the &#8216;middle men&#8217; for students who are under their parents&#8217; scrutiny.  (And it will probably just reinforce their teenage angst at their parents about lack of independence and all that sturm und drang.)  I&#8217;d say high school is certainly the place where teens should be left to make their own eating-decisions.  If you haven&#8217;t modelled healthy eating yourself by then, its too late and they&#8217;ll have to work it out for themselves.  </p>
<p>At a personal level, I hate the idea &#8211; we want our kids to know that we trust them and have an expectation that they can make good decisions for themselves.  I&#8217;d rather they ate a pie and chippies from time to time, than felt that we didn&#8217;t have confidence in them. My diabetic (from birth) nephew understood (and could be trusted to choose) what he could and couldn&#8217;t eat from the age of 4.  Its do-able.</p>
<p>At a community level &#8211; kids who don&#8217;t make good food choices are going to benefit more from education and encouragement of personal responsibility than &#8216;big brother&#8217; (which is the opposite of personal responsibility).  The concept is focussed on the parents and not the kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another benefit of being born and raised in the dark ages! My parents would have been horrified at what I bought at the tuckshop, and in turn I suspect I would have been horrified knowing what my son purchased. From here it is a short step to a computer system that refuses some attempted purchases, and ultimately stripping people of all responsibilies for self, and blaming others for all our woes.  But aren&#039;t many of us doing that already?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another benefit of being born and raised in the dark ages! My parents would have been horrified at what I bought at the tuckshop, and in turn I suspect I would have been horrified knowing what my son purchased. From here it is a short step to a computer system that refuses some attempted purchases, and ultimately stripping people of all responsibilies for self, and blaming others for all our woes.  But aren&#8217;t many of us doing that already?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I live not far from a primary school. Near the entrance to the school is a strip of shops, including 2 dairies, a bakery and a couple of takeaway stores.
On school mornings the bakery is full of kids, both with and without their parents, buying their school lunches. No fruit here, no nuts, carrot sticks or anything healthy. 
I think its time to get real and acknowledge that yet again the &#039;food police&#039; are preaching to the converted, the so called worried well who actually care about the issues of teaching their kids to eat well, and have sufficient control to enforce their own beliefs, a minority. 
Long term health issues are of absolutely no interest to kids. My own eighteen year old has, over the last few months, realised that he feels better and has more energy if he makes good choices and exercises. Kids have to learn for themselves and are much more open to advice from their peers. This is why I think using sportsmen and women as role models is a useful option for encouraging kids to make good food choices. Issuing edicts, insisting on certain behaviours are counter productive. Perhaps schools could appoint &#039;healthy choice monitors&#039; from amongst the high achievers among their own seniors, the kids, usually those active in sports, who are looked-up to by juniors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live not far from a primary school. Near the entrance to the school is a strip of shops, including 2 dairies, a bakery and a couple of takeaway stores.<br />
On school mornings the bakery is full of kids, both with and without their parents, buying their school lunches. No fruit here, no nuts, carrot sticks or anything healthy.<br />
I think its time to get real and acknowledge that yet again the &#8216;food police&#8217; are preaching to the converted, the so called worried well who actually care about the issues of teaching their kids to eat well, and have sufficient control to enforce their own beliefs, a minority.<br />
Long term health issues are of absolutely no interest to kids. My own eighteen year old has, over the last few months, realised that he feels better and has more energy if he makes good choices and exercises. Kids have to learn for themselves and are much more open to advice from their peers. This is why I think using sportsmen and women as role models is a useful option for encouraging kids to make good food choices. Issuing edicts, insisting on certain behaviours are counter productive. Perhaps schools could appoint &#8216;healthy choice monitors&#8217; from amongst the high achievers among their own seniors, the kids, usually those active in sports, who are looked-up to by juniors.</p>
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